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Bonfire

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:34 pm
by Seil Sally
I'm sure I'm not the only person who is disappointed to have missed the Balvicar Bonfire. From what I hear it was quite well attended, and those I spoke to said it was an enjoyable evening.
Just a pity it was SO poorly advertised!!
...even if it had a little mention on here I'm sure "crowd" numbers would have increased!

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:12 pm
by novus ordo seclorum
Maybe SS but do remember that Bonfire Night is very much an English event celebrating, as it does, the foiling of a plot against the English Parliament in 1605; a time when we were independent with our own Parliament. Hence the event has, historically, been of little relevance to Scots.
I do feel, however, that is wonderful that our modern, multicultural Scotland encourages the celebration of events such as this and others like Diwali and Ramadan. It shows that we are becoming a more mature nation able to celebrate (as well as tolerate) its inate diversity.
Just as an aside you may find it interesting to know that there was a time (mid to late eighteenth century) when bonfires were lit annually in Glasgow and Edinburgh to celebrate the defeat of the Young Pretentender. That tradition is remembered with a certain amount of horror by some scots today who have swallowed the myth that the 15 and the 45 were wars between Scotland and England, fought for Scottish independence; something they patently were not. C'est la vie.
NoS

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:26 pm
by canUsmellthat
I believe one had to be invited to the Balvicar do. Fair enough really as the host put on free booze, free food and an amazing fireworks display.

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:33 pm
by Me?
Controversial!!

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:57 pm
by spiderman
:idea: 8) NoS, I'd have thought that getting rid of the London parliament had and still has considerable relevance to Scots.... :lol: :saltire :merryxmas

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:41 pm
by canUsmellthat
Only controversial if you're not a local...

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:00 pm
by Seil Sally
:roll: - I was only talking about standing at a bonfire, sparkler in hand, watching some colourful rockets. No political agenda here!!

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:00 am
by novus ordo seclorum
SS - standing happily beside a bonfire atop which an effigy of an historical figure burns can be seen as a political act...for similarities (albeit a tad extreme) think of the bonfires in Ulster in July.
Spideman old chap; I take your point to an extent but I think its not the ridding of a London Parliament in 1605 which is relevant to Scots but rather the creation of an English Parliament today and all that implies for our sovereignty.
NoS
Create, don't break!

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:17 am
by spiderman
Sometimes to create, you have first to break!

bonfire night

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:27 pm
by tinkerbell
i hear lochgilphead put on a good show on Saturday night, perhaps going there would have been an idea SS...no invitation required. I also heard that Oban's display was good, glad to hear they r back on after a couple of years.

Sadly, I have been unable to attend any fireworks, as getting to them are dangerous....you just don't know where one will go off, could b very close to me whilst in transport so safer to stay in and watch from my window!!

NoS...very political kinda guy...what profession r u in, teaching perhaps??

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:15 pm
by Eric the Viking
NOS Teaching?

Odin save us all!

I suspect NOS is retired, on a comfy civil service pension - giving him plenty time to give us lessons in the history of these sceptered isles.

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:57 pm
by spiderman
8) :idea: :lol: Spiderfact: - The motto Novus Ordo Seclorum (a new order of the ages) was coined in USA by Charles Thomson in June 1782 and was adopted as the wording on the Great Seal of America and so is now seen on the back of dollar bills. Thomson adapted it from a line in Virgil's Eclogue IV, a pastoral poem that expresses the longing for a new era of peace and happiness. Initially it symbolised the new American era but more recently has been used by a variety of nutty or religious groups looking for or predicting a new world order. A visit to YouTube would show you examples. So it seems that NoS is either a colonial, a pacifist, an idealist, a nutter or a holy willie or some partial or total combination of these....... :lol: :lol: Whatever, he's a healthy addition to our interestingly wide-ranging mix of folk on Seil! :loveseil

P.S. Really sorry to sound like such a smart-arse but it's one of the hassles of being a superhero :roll: 8) :lol:
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:45 pm
by Me?
Smart-arse spidey? You probably just got all that info from a well known internet reference site!! :o

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:01 pm
by spiderman
8) :lol: Aye, but they got it from me :lol: 8)

But getting back to bonfires, shouldn't we be cutting back on the burning of garden rubbish on Seil? Is no-one else fed up with getting smoked out on an occasionally nice summer's day? Or is my superhero body just oversensitive? 8) :roll: :lol:

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:01 pm
by Seil Sally
Whilst I completely understand your view, Spidey, I think what we have to examine are the alternatives:

taking it to the dump - not without a little "token" by pre-arrangement

binning it - don't think so!! - our bin-men would faint at the thought!

throwing it onto the shore from the carpark at Easdale - mmmmmmh!

throwing it in the quarry.........mmmmmmmh!

....so it looks like I'll have to continue burning!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:28 pm
by spiderman
:lol: 8) :idea: Fair point, Sally, and I also burn my own stuff. Maybe, getting back to the start of this string, the thing to do is have a communal garden waste burning bonfire party every so often - make it an event and have booze, fireworks and fun!! :lol: :lol: 8)..and invite everyone!!

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:50 pm
by Seil Sally
(....as long as you ensure there are no hedgehogs 'mongst your pile of leaves!! )

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:17 pm
by spiderman
:lol: 8) OK, unless the hedgehog's name is Guy.. :roll: :lol: 8)

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:59 pm
by Eric the Viking
waste burning bonfire party every so often - make it an event and have booze, fireworks and fun!! ..and invite everyone!!
That option already exists - We scandinavians call it Up Helly Aa

And it would have the added advantage of ridding the island of those "unsightly hulks"

:berserk :berserk :berserk :berserk :berserk :berserk :berserk :berserk

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:08 am
by tinkerbell
So you've both had bonfires in the past and not invited the whole island? :cry: