Re: Taliban
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:45 am
Blimey, Eric, chill out ma petite choux.
Congratulations on the considerable time and effort which you have put into researching this topic. Well done, but a word of warning. Try not to rely on Wikipedia. It's open access and can be edited by anyone with a sectarian or racist axe to grind. You have no way of telling, for example whether what you are reading on Wikipedia has been written by a Cambridge don or a spotty youth in a bedroom in Kansas.
To do your effort justice I did have a glance at the eugenics article and came across such statements as:
" Eugenics was a left, protestant, jewish and feminist movement .......no other religious group gave so much support to eugenics as the jews.The biggest rate in religious afiliation, among American Eugenics associations were the jews..... Catholic Church was against eugenics from its first day, because its clergy was of hight quality."
Whoever wrote the Wikipedia article abviously had an agenda, eh!
Still, Eric, that's by the by.
What I object to is your clear implication that roman catholic countries did not support eugenics and, by implication only protest countries did. A shocking slur. Eugenics was embraced by the extremes of both the left and the right. The fascist regimes of staunchly catholic european countries such as Italy (Mussolini), Spain (Franco) and Portugal (Salazar) all practised eugenics, and on a huge scale in their colonies.
Further the churches of England and of Scotland spoke out against eugenics in the same way as the papacy (which, incidentally still has to explain its inaction on the deportation of Jews from Italy during the Holocaust) .
Hopefully this helps you, Eric, and goes a little towards clarifying your thinking.
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You kindly asked me what I teach.
Difficult one to answer but I suppose I can best answer by saying, Eric, that, like all teachers, I teach the ignorant and misinformed.
Prof Shanks (pro-life by choice)
Congratulations on the considerable time and effort which you have put into researching this topic. Well done, but a word of warning. Try not to rely on Wikipedia. It's open access and can be edited by anyone with a sectarian or racist axe to grind. You have no way of telling, for example whether what you are reading on Wikipedia has been written by a Cambridge don or a spotty youth in a bedroom in Kansas.
To do your effort justice I did have a glance at the eugenics article and came across such statements as:
" Eugenics was a left, protestant, jewish and feminist movement .......no other religious group gave so much support to eugenics as the jews.The biggest rate in religious afiliation, among American Eugenics associations were the jews..... Catholic Church was against eugenics from its first day, because its clergy was of hight quality."
Whoever wrote the Wikipedia article abviously had an agenda, eh!
Still, Eric, that's by the by.
What I object to is your clear implication that roman catholic countries did not support eugenics and, by implication only protest countries did. A shocking slur. Eugenics was embraced by the extremes of both the left and the right. The fascist regimes of staunchly catholic european countries such as Italy (Mussolini), Spain (Franco) and Portugal (Salazar) all practised eugenics, and on a huge scale in their colonies.
Further the churches of England and of Scotland spoke out against eugenics in the same way as the papacy (which, incidentally still has to explain its inaction on the deportation of Jews from Italy during the Holocaust) .
Hopefully this helps you, Eric, and goes a little towards clarifying your thinking.
.......................
You kindly asked me what I teach.
Difficult one to answer but I suppose I can best answer by saying, Eric, that, like all teachers, I teach the ignorant and misinformed.
Prof Shanks (pro-life by choice)