Seil Chat

I'd rather we made our own decisions right or wrong than be someone's lap dog![/quote]

Havent you noticed eric that whoever
makes the decisions they are normally wrong
TEDDY

Al Megrahi was 'given up' by the Libyans to stand trial for the Lockerbie bombing, so that they would get concessions to re-join the international community, i.e trade which in the case of Libya means oil. Therefore it seems wholly likely that any deal to set Al Megrahi free involved the word 'oil'. Al Megrahi was always just a pawn.

cant see Megrahi being a prawn as relevant
unless were back to scallop dredging
TEDDY

Eric the Viking wrote:would the relatives and families who lost loved ones really be any more avenged?

Blimey Mr Viking, sir. You still living in Biblical times? You some kind of Christian fundamentalist?
Imprisoning someone is not about revenge !
It is about:
1. Removing dangerous people from general society to make life safer for the majority.
2. Rehabilitating these perps so that they may one day re-enter society.
3. Sending a message to those who might consider commiting a similar crime.

Eric the Viking wrote:As for Libyan oil Shankers? - That's good one - we haven't even got control over our own oil.

Blimey Eric, that old "England stole oir oil" implication is sooo last century. Do try to understand that the resources and revenues pertaining to the U.K belong to the whole of the U.K. Does England keep the tax revenue obtained from 95% of the population who live in England to itself? Of course not, it goes into a common pot and is spent on the whole of the U.K. Do people in Lincolnshire say "its our gas". Of course not.
However, oil and trade are the key to Magrahigate.
To anyone with an ounce of intelligence its obvious that our friends Mandleson and Brown have done a deal with Gaddaffiduck to secure preferential oil concessions and trade deals for the U.K. in return for the release of the bomber. Mac(D&D)Askill did not release the bomber on his decision and his decision alone. He released him because he was under pressure from Westminster to do so and probably got some kind of quid quo pro (probably an OBE in some future Honours List).
Did you leave school at 14 Eric? Just curious, not an insult (how could it be? Some quite intelligent people never experienced Higher or Further Education, Jimmy Hill for one)

Shankers 77 OBE (grass lover by choice)

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Lets make thigs clear, Sandy. I believe MacAskill's decision was disastrous for us because.
1. I believe it was wrong because he took no account of the vast majority of the families who lost their loved ones in this atrocity .

Blimey Mr Viking, sir. You still living in Biblical times? You some kind of Christian fundamentalist?
Imprisoning someone is not about revenge !

Am I the only one who sees an inconsistency in these two responses?

Seil Blubber wrote:Am I the only one who sees an inconsistency in these two responses?

Hopefully.
The families are not after revenge.
They want to ensure that this type of atrocity does not recur by sending a message to future perps that they will be caught and taken out of circulation.
Unfortunately hardline, fundamentalists don't get the message because of their 70 virgins indoctrination.

Long45 Akhbar56 (happy with a mere 69 virgins, by choice)

oh, and Teddy; none of your virgin on the ridiculouse jokes perlease.

The families are not after revenge.
They want to ensure that this type of atrocity does not recur by sending a message to future perps that they will be caught and taken out of circulation.

Your average Islamic terrorist is not much influenced by any threatened earthly consequences.

Like I said, Blubber. You finding this difficult?

shank16 (reads by choice)

Blimey !
This is getting ridiculous.
Just heard that;
1. Andy Murray is to get "protection" at the upcoming U.S. Open at Flushing Meadows.
2. Facebook have closed several sites which opened to protest the release but have been overwhelmed with "vile" anti-American comments.
Two sides of the same hysteria.
How sad.

Shankerville (no zip by choice)

I did read your previous post Longshanks, and you did indeed point out yourself that hard line fundamentalists are not deterred by the fear of earthly consequences.

You therefore comprehensively undermined your own argument, rendering my effort unnecessary.

I will save my keyboard for more worthwhile observations in future.

In his books, the characters of Wilbur Smith threaten to stitch the vagabonds' earthly remains into a pig skin before burying them in the ground thus denying entry to paradise...it seemed to work for them...

Well; now we can have the truth, Sandy, and see the effects of the release of the bomber has had on us.
http://www.yougov.co.uk/extranets/ygarc ... g-2009.pdf
(NOTE: The poll was commisioned at YouGov by the Daily Mail, something which has no bearing on the outcome of the poll all you Mail haters out there)
If you can't be bothered to follow the link a brief summary of the results:

Only 2 out of every 5 Scots believe the decision to release the terrorist was correct.
7 out of every 10 Scots believe that the decision has diminished Scotland's reputation in the world.
Now only 3 in every 10 Scots would vote for independence.

Interestingly the age group most in favour of the release and most likely to vote for independence is the 55+ age group. Younger Scots tended to be against the release and against independence.

Now Sandy, my friend, in order not to feed your fantasies about my beliefs, can I point out that this was an opinion poll in which I did not take part and does not, necessarily, reflect my views, especially on independence.
My very good friend ManaLott recently persuaded me to maintain my SNP membership after I moaned about broken promises. In deference to her. whom I respect, I am still an SNP supporter despite Askill's disastrous decision.

Kenny56 shanks57 (independent by choice)

Without getting embroiled in the Libyan controversy, the following thought has always surprised me.
These conscripts to the Suicide Bombing Academy are indoctrinated with the notion that once they have performed their nefarious activity, they will be transported to Heaven where a long line (numbers seem to vary) of virgins will be at their disposal, as a reward for their efforts. This just an aside, but I would have thought that someone with a bit more experience might have given greater satisfaction.
Now the recruits for this pursuit must be short of a marble or two, if they think that they can be the center of an explosion and scatter their bodily parts over a wide area, and somehow have the whole thing reassembled (including appendages) when they appear in the hereafter to take their just reward. Maybe the Koran implies a reassembly facility specifically for splattered martyrs to the cause.
And a final point - If they wish to recruit female (as I believe has happened in the past) members to the cause, what is the payoff line for them?

The women's "reward" is probably that they will be 're-assembled', and allowed to be a virgin again...

[quote="shygirl78"]The women's "reward" is probably that they will be 're-assembled', and allowed to be a virgin again...[/quote]
and the odd bacon sandwich

TEDDY

Well Teddy... I guess anything may be possible in the afterlife. It would make up for a lifetime of not being able to enjoy a good bacon sarnie I guess?

they are promised an afterlife
nobody said anything about it being perfect
maybe all gods were once politicians
aren`t we supposed to be made in their image

Thats all very amusing, but I would like to know what the advantages of virginity are, if it is something to be sought after.
Is there not a mullah among the readers of these deliberations who can enlighten us on the mysteries of the Koran?

Very true Teddy.

But these poor deluded and brainwashed people must think it sounds pretty damn perfect before they blow themselves up to get there.

And, as for that 'being made in the image of' ... well, none of us will know (or not as the case may be), until we 'go'.

The frustrating mysteries of life...

Hi Jimcee, I thought that certain men, think that a virgin is more prized for being 'untouched' by anyone else so to speak.
Also, there is the sad and sickening stories of men thinking that going with a virgin can cure aids...