Clachan windfarm rebranded

[Dedboring]

This scheme does sound like a none starter for young folk also dont you think? Those who have jobs are already striving to raise huge deposits in order to get their first home, they arenot going to invest in something like this.
Just more bodyswerving and rearranging of words. I donot wish to drink from this poisoned chalice.

[NickB]

This scheme does sound like a none starter for young folk also dont you think? Those who have jobs are already striving to raise huge deposits in order to get their first home, they arenot going to invest in something like this.
Just more bodyswerving and rearranging of words. I donot wish to drink from this poisoned chalice.

It makes more sense for young people as they will get their original investment back. You can invest as little or as much as you want, so in that respect the Abundance scheme is a possible way for people who support renewable energy to have a dabble. I agree though, I doubt if Seil is crowded with young investors.

[Tony the Toad]

So if I ‘invest’ £100 now, I’d get £108 back in 2037. That should just about buy a shot of synthohol at the Tigh an Wetherspoon's, by the Old Atlantic Bridge Hoverpark.

Haud me back…

[NickB]

So if I ‘invest’ £100 now, I’d get £108 back in 2037. That should just about buy a shot of synthohol at the Tigh an Wetherspoon's, by the Old Atlantic Bridge Hoverpark.

Haud me back…

You would get £8 a year - so your total return over the 25 years would be £300; you would be able to buy at least a double and perhaps some crisps as well. I am not an investor, so I have no idea whether or not that is a reasonable rate of return for a long term investment. I presume some people must think so, as Abundance has two schemes already running.

You would be better setting up your own wind turbine though . . . Tilley on Tiree, for example, has made the community a lot of money. Even the main movers in the No-Tiree-Array campaign are in favour of Tilley.

[Tony the Toad]

Three shots, then.

[NickB]

Three shots, then.

I think that long term investments may not be for you . . . . or perhaps buy a newly casked malt and wait for it to appreciate?

[MonaLott]

Why would young people want to invest in spoiling their local scenery and infrastructure?

[NickB]

Why would young people want to invest in spoiling their local scenery and infrastructure?

People have invested and are investing in various types of community energy scheme all over Scotland, so I guess some people see things diferently to you Mona.

[MonaLott]

Yes, I'm afraid you're right, Nick - let's face it, most investors are just after a quick speculative buck, which attracts them generally towards unsound/sharp practice, which is basically why the global financial collapse is occurring. I have nothing at all against most forms of green energy production but windmills on land have no serious place in a scientifically robust energy mix. And, for an absentee landlord, to propose these for a place of natural beauty is scandalous. And, for a local person to try to make money out of such environmental prostitution would be truly pathetic. Just my own mild opinion!

[NickB]

Just my own mild opinion!

[Just a gimp]

Interesting article appeared today published in forargyll.com, regarding Aarhus convention, and apparently exposed by a member of Lochavich and Kilchrenan community council.
To continue in the spirit of Mr Young`s proposed offer to the Seil community,it would seem that a portion of his profits may be more effective if offered to the decision makers on this leglislative body to attempt to circumvent the akward position that the Scottish Government appears to now find itself in.

[NickB]

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Vaguely related . . .

You’ve Been Trumped (PG) is showing on Tuesday 28th August 2012 at 17:30 in the newly re-opened Oban Phoenix cinema. Watch 'The Donald' saving Scatland from Mad Alex and the Turbines.

[youtube]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Gq2kj4ryg[/youtube]

[Husker Doo]

Back to the old fodder i see.
As far as i remember Duachy is not a p lace of natural beauty is mostly a deforested area and depopulated through being cleared at different times.
It is also a post industrial site with quarries and stone cutting evidence on the barnacarry shore ironically the perfect site for bringing turbine parts ashore thus avoiding bridge altogether but if i was a local counciler i would be pushing to get a new bridge out of it.


I also noticed the moment a certain house in that area wet up for sale the say no sign dissapeared from the garden wall suddenly big bad turbines werent so important any more. oh the moolah.

[Husker Doo]

mmm the s##t storm that was stirred up but when it comes to getting out money talks.

[Just a gimp]

Yes Husker, you arenot the only one to notice the removal of the 'Say NO' sign getting whisked in and replaced by a 'For Sale' sign, it was a source of great amusement in certain circles.
But I have to disagree about Duachy not being beautiful, it is a wonderful walk past the standing stones and up to the trigg point and then looking down onto the Frog of Lorne. Now there is a point. When did the Frog become a Toad? I have always heard it referred to as the Frog all my life and have a very old book refering to the Frog of Lorne. It is now refered to as the Toad. Does it really matter I wonder, but it is a puzzle.
Same as the Clachan Bridge now being called The Bridge over the Atlantic, that to me does matter and it isnot right at all. Yes, the bridge does span the atlantic, but lets stop rebranding everything including wind farms.
The old slate quarries around from Barnacarry with their drill holes still in the rock are wonderfully atmospheric and there is a stillness and quietness about the place, almost like in a churchyard. All this would be lost if the turbines go up and there would be no magical silence except perhaps on a really windy day when they have had to be turned off in case they go too fast and burst into flames.
I amnot against 'green' energy, why is therenot a big push on to capture all that tidal power? I suspect maybe because certain land owning individuals want to dip whole loaves into the gravy, there would be no financial return if all the power was generated at sea, only many jobs created for the 'working class'. Is that such a bad thing?

[Maggie]

the Frog of Lorne. Now there is a point. When did the Frog become a Toad? I have always heard it referred to as the Frog all my life and have a very old book refering to the Frog of Lorne. It is now refered to as the Toad. Does it really matter I wonder, but it is a puzzle.

No puzzle gimp if you know your gaelic.
The hillfort you're referring to is called Losgann Lornach in gaelic; meaning Toad of Lorn.
Please notice also that Lorn does not have an "e" and, by the way, referring has three "r"s.
I guess you weren't brought up here otherwise you would know about the gaelic and how to spell Lorn.

mags
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[Just a gimp]

Poor old Seanair, all this time he, his spelling, his Gaelic pronunciation of local names and his 1919 book have all been wrong, so wrong.
Good job he is no longer here to witness his downfall, he would feel like jumping off the Atlantic Bridge.
Still, thankyou for all that text book info Mags, just a shame for someone obviously Soooooooooooo intelligent you have to reduce yourself yet again by hurling personal insults. Do all middle class folk behave like this?
Remember Icarus????

[Dedboring]

Tony, speaking as a bona fide [correct my spelling if needed Mags] toad, what do you think about morphing into a frog?
I was born and bred on Seil and my family always called 'you' a frog and we as far as I can recall used an 'e' on Lorne.
How could we all have got it so wrong! Perhaps that is the difference between local speak and text book knowledge.
You are not the only person puzzled here Just a Gimp

[NickB]

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Language is a living thing - or should be.

[Maggie]

you have to reduce yourself yet again by hurling personal insults.

Don't be so sensitive. Where have I hurled personal insults ? Quote them.
Lorn or Lorne ?
http://www.argyllmarinesac.org/DS_firthoflorn.htm