Scallop dredging

[canUsmellthat]

Anyway, going back to scallop dredging...someone thought that the SG was going to open the Firth of Lorne to this form of fishery again...I don't think this'll happen because it has been designated a triple SI and a marine park to boot...

[Pentlandpirate]

Aww, so it wasn't even your idea...aww that's just bad luck...

So predictable. I'm not bothered whether it's my idea or not. I'm just glad that there are others out there who are forward thinking and prepared to try something, because it seems that left to fishermen with traditional ideas of emptying the sea, unless someone does something for them nothing is going to improve. It seems to me fishermen have always been 'takers', not 'givers', and now there's not much left for them to take, they don't know what to do. For all I've read here, it seems canU and Eric might be representative of that breed.

Anyhow you two, don't forget to contact SAMS, and the other research institutes around the world working on acoustic non-physical fish barrier systems, and tell them that they are fools, doomed to failure, wasting tax payers money and should confine themselves to a shed at the bottom of the garden.

[canUsmellthat]

Generation, genes, next, your - I hope not...

[Eric the Viking]

I suggest you make some more enquiries to both DML and SAMS and ask the question how much of their annual funding from NERC goes on your to the projects you describe?

I suspect I have the answer

[Pentlandpirate]

Does it matter?

But if you have got some idea, have you got a problem with saying what you think it is?

Whether your aim is yet again to ridicule, Eric, it changes nothing. In a country whose NHS is still far from what they would like it to be, schools are crumbling and failing, soldiers are dying from inadequate equipment many projects are underfunded, not necessarily because they are ludicrous ideas, but because funding has to be spread thinly.

You might just find those who are working on projects such as non-physical fish barrier systems, only become a little bit more determined to succeed, when underfunding just becomes one more challenge to add to their list.

[Eric the Viking]

My intention is not to ridicule you Pentland - you seem to be more than able to do that to yourself.

I am merely attempting to point out that your 'vision' is not shared by the scientific community either

and as for :

soldiers are dying from inadequate equipment

It's not the equipment thats killing them its because those nasty foreign types are shooting and bombing them - unfortunately that's the risk you take when you decide to take the Queen's shilling.

Perhaps its time to get the h*ll out of Dodge?

[Pentlandpirate]

Eric, I don't think you do yourself any favours. When I think back to what you've regularly written over the last couple of years, characteristically, it just seems to be, knock, knock, knock. Perhaps your life is mired in failure, but Eric, don't worry, you can learn to succeed if you change your attitude to life. Didn't God put us on Earth to face up to its challenges, not simply to live with its problems?

How much annual funding do you think they get then? I'm surprised you state the scientific community does not share my vision, because from what I see there's alot of evidence teams are working on all the separate elements that might be required for an open-water fish ranch.

Yes, bullets and IED's are killing our troops. But if there was unlimited funding for the Armed Forces, perhaps they could have the benefit of better IED detection devices, better protected fighting vehicles, more helicopters, overwhelming military force on the ground, more resources for winning hearts and minds. And there could still unlimited money left over for research and development so that fish ranches can be possible sooner rather than later. The reality is, there isn't an unlimited budget. It's true the majority of the cash is spent on today's problems with little thought for the future. So why should anyone be surprised new technologies get little support when too many people can't see a future for themselves.

Generation, genes, next, your - I hope not...

Perhaps its time to get the h*ll out of Dodge?

Yet more proof of a defeatist attitude.

[Eric the Viking]

It has very little to do with God but it has a lot do do with reality.

..and I think you'll find that there is plenty of research going on into viable aquaculture projects whether it be private or public finance, through industry led institutes, universities or the UN FAO.

Defeatist? Stop your jingoistic - 'we hate johnny foreigner', flag waving for a moment and realise that nobody 'wins' wars.

[Pentlandpirate]

It has very little to do with God but it has a lot do do with reality

It might be a much more sensitive subject, and need a new thread, but many would say God is reality.

Aquaculture in its current form is a start, but just a step up on the bottom of hopefully a long ladder.

Stop your jingoistic - 'we hate johnny foreigner', flag waving for a moment and realise that nobody 'wins' wars

Did I do that? But if I did, I think I would have to disagree (obviously a habit of mine, but I'm not alone). Wars can be won. There will be a loser, and some will lose on the winning side, but if the aim of war is to prevail and dictate to the loser, then you can be a winner.

Defeatist? .....realise that nobody 'wins' wars

Sounds utterly defeatist to me.