Terrorist Threat!

Makes Sense · Post by **Makes Sense** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:56 pm

Time I think this was brought out in the open.

Does anyone really believe we are living under a serious threat of terrorists?

Remember the old IRA when THEY DID bomb on a fairly regular basis and in my opinion a REAL THREAT.

If one looks at everything that has been or tried to be introduced since this so called war on terror began they would clearly see we just need to be frightened enough to be controlled.

Just a little something to lighten the mood I thought.

Also be interesting to hear what people really feel about it.

Merry Christmas

spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:04 pm

Strange topic for Xmas but anyway I agree with you - terrorism is much hyped for political purposes. Bush & Blair needed it to justify their madness.

Seil Blubber · Post by **Seil Blubber** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:13 pm

Merry Christmas - MS, in the spirit of the season I am no longer ignoring you. You have chosen a somewhat depressing subject however . . .

One of the joys of living on Seil is that it is unlikely the bridge or the West Coast Motors open topper will be targets, and of course there are plenty of consipracy theories re. 9/11 - but there have been one or two unpleasant occurrences which seem quite real, so there are some nutters out there who are probably not in the pay of the CIA and MI5.

But is terrorism the new bogeyman used to control a frightened population now the cold war is over? Maybe. It will be interesting to see if the perceived threat declines in the face of increased global warming hype and the allegedly imminent economic meltdown.

Just glad to be here really.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:39 pm

God Jul

Terrorism - don't be frightened you lot as soon as they bring out the new ID cards we'll all be safe!

Pentlandpirate · Post by **Pentlandpirate** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:52 pm

One of the main reasons Britain hasn't seen mass suicide attacks on the mainland is through the experience gained fighting the IRA. Our internal security systems are very well developed compared to almost any country in the world. However the enemy is a new one, with different tactics and it is taking time to put in place means to neutralise them.

But, no, they are not hyped up purely for political reasons. There is a real threat, and as hard as the security services are working, they need the public to be alert. This enemy doesn't wear a uniform, he's not afraid to die, he lives amongst us, and he doesn't have to be of one ethnic background to become radicalised.

Because he likes to create "spectaculars", inflicting as much death, pain and fear as possible, naturally he will target areas of dense population.

It is not scaremongering to say that any responsible citizen of the UK should be alert to the threat to themselves and any other innocent bystander.

Anyhow, finishing on a positive note, no matter how many they maim and murder there is a hard lesson to be learnt by these fanatics. They will not win. Stay alert and have a safe Christmas!

spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:30 pm

Bloody Hell, PP, sounds like you have been writing dossiers for Bush, Blair and topcop Blair. Hope you're wrong, suspect you are but can't be sure. I'm afraid that, if you are right, we're just reaping what we've sewn.

Makes Sense · Post by **Makes Sense** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:51 am

Hey PP the IRA never wore a uniform and they were a real threat. Please sleep easy there is nothing to worry about just hype honest.....

Makes Sense · Post by **Makes Sense** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:52 am

p.s if there was a real threat I would move to another country. All bullshit I can assure you.

canUsmellthat · Post by **canUsmellthat** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:02 am

What constitutes a uniform? I mean, I'd say a bunch of folk in balaclavas and dark clothes wear in uniform, nay?

I'd say also that terrorism is a real possibility, you'd just need to ask anyone caught in the London or new York attacks to understand why. I agree that most of what the big wigs tell us is bull @#$% but they're not seriously gonna tell us the truth, rite?

But I'm sure that statistically you've still got more chance of being killed in a car crash than in a terrorist attack so I willnae be pooing ma pants too much about it...

MA1BOB · Post by **MA1BOB** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:06 am

I can see the world terrorist leaders making thier plans on where to attack next. Yes, Seil should be right on top, that and possibly the Luing Ferry.

Rest easy, I think Seil, Luing and Easdale will last another day.

Cheers

Bob

Pentlandpirate · Post by **Pentlandpirate** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:19 am

Yes, you are relatively safe on Seil, and are considerably more likely to be killed or injured in a car crash. But if you are talking about the UK as a whole there is a significant and real, on-going, threat from terrorism.

Living on Seil you are detached from this reality. Terrorists come in different forms and may not just be people who will come to this country intent of attacking it in the same way they would in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Apart from the Tube bombs in London and attack on Glasgow airport by home-grown terrorists, think of attacks on abortion clinics, attacks by Animal Rights protesters and other pipe and letter bomb attacks, often by nothing more than disgruntled employees and the threat is wider than you think. You have already seen the proof these people exist.

Security cannot be 100% without infringing civil liberties. The security forces have to succeed 100% of the time to keep the place entirely safe. Terrorists only have to kill once to have succeeded. That makes it quite easy for someone with backing and support to achieve.

You can sleep easy knowing that the risk to you is small, but only because there are alot of people out there who are watching out for your safety and security, and I am one of them.

spiderman · Post by **spiderman** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:43 am

Me too! KAPPPOOOOOWWW!

Still, the politicians and media have greatly exaggerated the risks and the former have even tried to corrupt our civil liberties.

Makes Sense · Post by **Makes Sense** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:42 am

Can't believe it but you say "

Security cannot be 100% without infringing civil liberties. The security forces have to succeed 100% of the time to keep the place entirely safe. Terrorists only have to kill once to have succeeded. That makes it quite easy for someone with backing and support to achieve."

All I would say to that is bollocks. The security forces are the reason nothing is happening? Have they really become invincible since they were unable to maintain that security when the IRA were bombing us?

I am not saying they are not doing their jobs but no better or worse for the last 20 years or so. They can't stop ANYONE prepared to kill themselves in the process. There just aint that many of them if any in Britain willing to do that.

Could the security forces for example stop anyone from tampering with the water supply chemically?

Really don't worry yourself about it, there is only a slight threat and this is due to the US foreign policy which unfortunately Britain has decided to follow.

Pentlandpirate · Post by **Pentlandpirate** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:07 am

No way have I suggested the security forces are invincible. If they were invincible there wouldn't be a threat.

You don't think anyone has thought about targeting water supplies, electricity and gas or the damage that could be done by damaging the internet? Of course they have. You won't see a policeman stood on top of a reservoir dam, because the reality is there are simply too many ways in which to attack our society. The 'internal' security is of a different world compared to what it was when the IRA were at their worst.

Keeping one step ahead of the enemy is done by intelligence, and even this discussion may have triggered someone to look at it and ask whether its participants need to be checked out.

Yes, you can stop someone if they are prepared to kill themselves in the process, and if only you knew the facts you would understand how many plots, admittedly some of them only in the early stage of planning, have been foiled already.

Yes, politics, and our western beliefs and religions have led to this conflict. You cannot blame just Bush and Blair as the war on Iraq only came about after 9/11. The Middle East has been festering with conflicts of ideology from times even before Mohamed (the prophet, not the teddy bear)

Actually I heard Woolworths are selling off all their teddy bears at less than cost because they have heard theyare not allowed to make a prophet out of them

Post by **NickB** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:53 am

even this discussion may have triggered someone to look at it and ask whether its participants need to be checked out

You refer presumably to ECHELON, the shadowy big-brother system that monitors all electronic communications in the UK and USA (and, I believe, Oz, NZ and Canada) for trigger words and phrases.

I find it hard to believe - indeed, I do not want to believe - that such a system could ever be sophisticated enough or employ enough people to adequately separate signal from noise . . . I suspect it is a little more targeted and that this forum will not come to its attention unless someone turns it in! (Perhaps PP himself has reported this threat to global security to whatever shadowy organisation he works for)

Although it is not perhaps as omnipotent as the authorities would like us to think, ECHELON is nonetheless another example of the excercise of sweeping powers that threaten our cherished notions of civil liberty in the name of national security. I think this is perhaps the point that Makes Sense was making. Measures like ECHELON, ID cards and a national DNA database are glibly justified in the name of National Security but of course the power and leverage that these tools give has been a dream of governments worldwide since politics began. IMO it is right and proper that people and parliament look at and question closely each and every erosion of our freedom whether real or perceived - it is a balancing act, and if we lose too much then surely the terrorists have won anyway.

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joker · Post by **joker** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:13 pm

Has anyone seen the movie 'Zeitgeist'?

It is an interesting explanation of terrorism.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2995115331

canUsmellthat · Post by **canUsmellthat** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:08 pm

When I first heard about the ID card initiative I was sooo against the IDea! I believed that it would be an invasion of our civil liberties etc etc etc. However, I now find myself warming to the prospect. Many countries demand that their citizens carry ID cards, perhaps the cards don't contain the individuals DNA records but they certainly have things like a photo and fingerprint/s. I know that the phrase “if you’ve nothing to hide what’s wrong with a card” gets used quite a lot but there some truth in these words.

I want to now ask the forum members who their top 5/ top 10 most dangerous terrorist groups of all time are. Number one for me (and probably most people) would have to be Al-Qaida but where would the likes of the IRA and animal rights rank?

Pentlandpirate · Post by **Pentlandpirate** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:14 pm

I want to now ask the forum members who their top 5/ top 10 most dangerous terrorist groups of all time are. Number one for me (and probably most people) would have to be Al-Qaida but where would the likes of the IRA and animal rights rank?

Do we have to? There is only one group worthy of mention and that is the Popular Front of Judea or is it the Peoples Popular Front of Judea? We should not further the credibility of other terrorist groups by discussing their ranking of importance/threat/number of attrocities. None of them are worthy of a place in society.

Seventhseil · Post by **Seventhseil** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:42 pm

"attack on Glasgow airport by home-grown terrorists"
Not true they were from a variety of places including Iraq.
Not that I believe that we are under that great a threat of terrorism, the vast majority of people arested under the anti-terror legislation brought in since 9/11 have been IRA/UDA etc members in Northern Ireland.
And many of the Islamic fundamentalists arested on these charges have been cleared.

Pentlandpirate · Post by **Pentlandpirate** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:26 pm

I met a doctor who had worked with one of the men who attacked Glasgow airport. They were home grown in that they had come to the UK (with better intent) long before they decided they would do their bit for the war against the infidel. It is only once here, doing good work as doctors in the NHS, they decided, as an isolated cell, to plan their own attrocities.

Not that I believe that we are under that great a threat of terrorism, the vast majority of people arested under the anti-terror legislation brought in since 9/11 have been IRA/UDA etc members in Northern Ireland.

This simply is not correct.

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