Scraping the bottom of the barrel by Jim Murphy

[jimcee]

Well Well well,
In response to the above two outpourings from our SNP firebrands.
So, you are trying to wind me up, but that will be difficult because I do not share your consuming zeal for your cause, and have a low opinion of all politicians of whatever hue.
But my presence on this particular forum is because I hate to see personal vilification purveyed to promote a political cause.
There are numerous politicians of every persuasion who have less than blameless lives and to suggest that one particular party is devoid of any transgression is frankly derisory. One does not have to look too far afield to see examples of chicanery - and here I am not singling any one party.
However, NB and B McD have singled out J. Murphy for a concentrated denigration, and I repeat this point - they have not made any coherent reason for this, apart from suggesting that he is untrustworthy to hold office, To this end they have dredged every media source available to them to find anything that could be construed as critical and purveyed it here.
To re-iterate the only possible reason for all this outpouring is that J.Murphy is perceived as a threat to the SNP cause, must be de-fused at any cost, ( is this a personal crusade or have they received instructions from on high?)and unless either of our two SNP apologists can come up with a better reason for all their efforts, this will remain my humble opinion.
Unless you think that I have a bias in this discussion, in my perception of the political scene over recent years, the only two politicians who have come across as genuine are John Swinney and Vince Cable.
So please, could we get off the subject of J,Murphy and maybe concentrate on the positive rather than the negative.

[Gavin Rae]

Don't forget !!!

A key part of Murphy’s approach in the coming two months will be to galvanise pro-union tactical voting which could just help Labour save some seats.

Jim C - perhaps that answers your questions of B McD and NB strategy although I think you already have a view on that !!

Does Murphy continue to threaten the SNP ? - the amount of attention he continues to generate methinks - YES !!!

OK Labour are likely to lose seats seats to SNP - I've no doubt about that !!

BUT would a surge in SNP voting in Scotland open a clear pathway for the Tories to gain overall control at Westminster - I think so !! - surely that will be Murphy's trump card to gain votes and he will use

When does he play that card ? - well I would be thinking on the back of the forthcoming TV debates during April

Remember the polls in Scotland (and the final result) for the referendum were heavily influenced (in my opinion) by the TV Debates and subsequent media attention

Could Nicola put one over on Jim M or vice versa ?!!!

I look forward to reading your unbiased replies

Snoman

[NickB]

Could Nicola put one over on Jim M or vice versa ?!!!

That is a debate I would like to see, but I expect Murphy will have the sense to dodge it - he'll probably and put Kezia Dugdale up for sacrifice.

Jim, in response to your assertion that Murphy is a threat . . . he has made so many blunders that is seen as an asset to the SNP cause by most.

[jimcee]

Both NB and B McD are very positive that J. Murphy is a valuable addition to the SNP appeal.
So one would think that they would want to keep him active and make more blunders on their behalf.
But here on this thread they are giving him all sorts of publicity (derisory I grant you), but the very nature of their dredging every bit of perceived dirt they can uncover, suggests to me that it might be counter -productive, - in that defamation can rebound on the perpetrators and their views.
However, the reason for this continuing Murphy bashing is because it suits your (SNP) books, so keep it coming, and I will guarantee a reply in the interests of balance and free speech.
To Gavin - you are a dab hand at the prediction business - your comments need consideration, but try to find a bookie to give odds on your forecasts, and you might make a killing.

[Gavin Rae]

Hi Jim C

Wouldn't dabble with the politics predictions.,,,,,,,,,,!!! BUT Think I'm right ? - We will see !!

Ok got the fuel price prediction right BUT only for a week !!- back to the normal - supermarket fuel starting to rise again - we are going to being shafted again methinks - back up at 1.10 in Dumbarton today

GBP vs EURO - still worth buying euros as now 1.34 if you buy through M@S with M@S card

As a passionate rugby fan scotland to beat Italy narrowly - Wales to beat France - England to beat Ireland ( but will be supporting Ireland ) and Munster against Glasgow ( not a betting person but sadly think Glasgow will come unstuck ) - good odds I'm told for that prediction tee hee

Enjoy your weekend ( all readers )

Gav

[jimcee]

In reply to Gavin R.
Your forecasts are wide ranging and probably within the current success rate of the weather ones.
However, I suspect that when it comes to rugby prognostications you are straying slightly off the topic under the microscope.
As an enforced participant in the sport? of rugby during schooldays, and suffering injury from same, my personal interest in the sport? is probably even less than that of football, and even tiddlywinks could probably have me more likely to sit up and take notice.
So Gavin, thanks for your tuppenceworth on the political scene, which is more like the true position than that which of our two SNP apologists are purveying currently.
But try a different thread for all this rugby business and you may get a lot of contributors, and finish up rivalling twitter and facebook for input.
P.S. -And this is completely off topic - pictures for next year's calendar?

[Gavin Rae]

Jim

Your remarks are understood and i will clearly ensure I'm more careful in the future !!! (We're you in education by the way ?)

Perhaps Im just another poster who is considering his position within what appears a be like ' a gang of three ' within this part of the forum

I was just trying to engage in a part of the forum that is seriously in decline by offering a diversity of viewpoints and LIGHTEN (the pause rewind play pause rewind play of delivering the same message )of the threads

Indeed in my opinion all you're NOW doing is supporting NB and BMCD on their SNP 'Daily Newsletter'

I look forward to reading your reply

Gavin

[jimcee]

Reply to Gavin R.
No need to apologise for your contribution to these pages - if this brainchild of NB is going to survive, it needs input from anyone who survives his diktats and exclusions.
Currently we are thin on the ground, and the only consolation (as far as I am concerned) is that there a fair number of people out there who follow our efforts, but would never have the temerity to actually contribute, which would demonstrate that there is an audience out there in cyberspace.
Maybe NB you should align yourself with Twitter or Facebook for a bigger audience but personally I think that would be a mistake, as that really is a whole can of worms.
Anyway, Gavin, enjoy your rugby, and your contributions here, and give serious consideration to finding a suitable photographic contribution to the 2016 calendar.

[NickB]

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Now what are you meandering on about, Jim?

I didn't start Seil Chat 12 years ago to get an audience for my views - I did it as a wee gesture to the community I was moving into, because it was something I knew how to do and because it was optional, low profile and wasn't me attempting to change anything. If you look at the membership numbers you will see that it was quite successful for nearly ten years.

Sadly a (very) small number of unpleasant individuals decided to use it to wage a long-running personal vendetta against me, or to abuse other posters. As so often happens the few ruined it for the many. I was left with two choices - shut the place down or adopt the real names policy - which many people assured me they would support. They have not put their money where their mouths were.

So - a tiny handful of us keep this place barely alive. I will continue to do so, in case more choose to use the facility. If Seil Chat remains largely moribund it is perhaps my fault for being too reasonable and not simply banning the persistent troublemakers long before they made the place unusable.

Those of you who used this place before in the way it was intended - why not man up and sign up under your real names? No-one need know your previous identity (though you will need to use a different email address to create a new account to the one you used previously).

And now - please - can we try to stay on- topic? Feel free to start another thread in the main forum about the past, present or future of Seil Chat, but this thread is about Jim Murphy.

[NickB]

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Then there is Murphy's Chief of Staff, John McTernan, who was Tony Blair's Political Secretary from 2005-2007

Here he is praising Thatcher's handling of the UK economy and suggesting further privatisation is a good idea.

[youtube]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TP1QyAcQBJE[/youtube]

[NickB]

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Phew!

Bit heavy that from Mr. McTernan.

Time for some comic relief . . .

[jimcee]

Just another example of NB and BMcD trolling the gutter press for anything they might find derogatory to J. Murphy.
So keep it coming boys - I dare say you will be able to find some incident in his primary school playground where he got in trouble - and will dutifully report it here as further proof that your campaign of vilification does not lack ammunition.

[Bill McDicken]

Just another example of NB and BMcD trolling the gutter press for anything they might find derogatory to J. Murphy.So keep it coming boys - I dare say you will be able to find some incident in his primary school playground where he got in trouble - and will dutifully report it here as further proof that your campaign of vilification does not lack ammunition.

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[NickB]

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The gutter press?

You're having a laugh Jim, aren't you?

If you want to see the gutter press in action I suggest you check out yesterday's English version of the SUN :



or these two gems from the Guardian's alleged cartoonist, Chris Bell (from the Monday and Tuesday editions of the paper) :





Truly revolting stuff, yet I am not spotting any outrage in the media, are you?

[jimcee]

While I find it difficult to place a meaning on ????? from BillMcD's contribution. there is a further culling from the media by our SNP stalwart NB. Admittedly his press cuttings are not particularly flattering to his heroes and heroines, but they are intended, I think , to prove that the gutter press crosses the political divide. This is unfortunately a sad fact of the current state of the printed media - it is almost impossible to find a completely unbiased organ of information.
I would suggest that the BBC comes closest to this ideal but I expect that these two SNP affectionado's will shoot me down in flames and say that it a lackey to the Westminster (dirty word) establishment.
And an aside to NB - you must spend a fortune on newspapers, and your scanner will burn itself out with all this use.

[Bill McDicken]

And an aside to NB - you must spend a fortune on newspapers, and your scanner will burn itself out with all this use.

I hope the above is 'tongue in cheek' Jim, otherwise your seriously out of touch.

[jimcee]

Another cryptic message from Bill mcD.
NB appears to be quoting his own messages.
And please elucidate me - what am I out of touch with, also how could this be rectified?
Weighty questions I know, but sitting here in the dark is bad for one's knowledge.

[Bill McDicken]

NB appears to be quoting his own messages.

Don't know why Nick got the credit, apologies Jim. ( Damn gremlins don't you know !! )

To quote Gavin Rae Jim, "I never know if you are taking the 'P one fifty five'" with regards to:-

And an aside to NB - you must spend a fortune on newspapers, and your scanner will burn itself out with all this use.

'cause if your not, you must be one of the few who still read the hard copy and don't just use the good old fashioned internet to copy and paste URL's onto Seil Chat. As many as you like, doesn't cost a penny.

Anyway, whit wir wi talkin' aboot? Ach aye! back tae 'Eggs' Murphy.

[jimcee]

After all that stuff above, about which I am still in the dark , could I just say that I try to make my postings relevant to the subject under discussion - within the brickbats thrown at me - out of touch, etc.
Coming back to J.Murphy as suggested by B McD - this particular thread has lacked any new revelations, just lately, of his wrongdoings and chicanery from our two SNP promoters - so until you can dish some more dirt from your gleanings of the press which supports your aspirations, I feel that I cannot attempt to keep this discussion on an even keel.
Politics appears to be a dirty business, which is maybe the reason why it's practicioners are held in such low repute.